I had the pleasure of being asked to be part of a panel at Mesh a few weeks ago called “Beyond Social Monitoring“. I was in good company with Joel Yashinksky, CMO and SVP of Marketing and Consumer Business Insights at McDonald’s Canada, and Scott Lake, CEO of Source Metrics.
The panel provided some amazing insights into best practices that has moved further than just listening. An important part of this discussion was the brave McDonald’s campaign called “Our Food. Your Questions“, which won numerous awards and accolades including Marketing Mag’s Marketer of the Year 2012.
This quote from Alex Sévigny, director of the McMaster-Syracuse Master of Communications Management program said it all:
“It was a courageous and savvy move that recognizes the importance of creating a kinship with consumers”
“Trust and reputation are becoming a fundamental part of building a brand and maintaining a brand community. The McDonald’s campaign is great in that respect. It’s absolutely brave because it required them to give the public a backstage pass to how things work.”
The quote from Kristin Laird of Marketing Mag that stood out for me was this,
I think it marks a turning point in how large corporations will interact with their customers going forward. It was the transparency that got me. It feels real. It changed my perception of what McDonald’s is all about.
In a relatively short-time span, where many brands are learning quickly the negative impacts of errant tweets and “very public” customer service missteps, one brand, which had more to lose given years of customer speculation regarding its food, its processes, and negative health claims, chose to confront its customers about anything and everything they wanted to know.
Joel Yashinksky, CMO of McDonalds, understood they were probably headed into the “Lion’s den” but faced it head on. I commented that working for another quick-service restaurant (QSR), my client had faced years of customer innuendo and backlashes, which were now showing up on forums, photo-sharing sites, Twitter and many review sites.
Many brands choose to bury their heads in the sand to avoid facing the detractors head-on. Not McDonald’s. It’s the reason why many of those I’ve spoken to, including my own kids, will come back to McDonald’s (in moderation, of course).
In paving the way for brands who are more prone to consumer attacks, McDonald’s has proven they’ve not only survived the pending consumer firestorm, they’ve come out on top!
Why are we still trying to prove the ROI of Social?
Everyone agrees: the KPI’s are all wrong.
The smart marketer has dismissed the value of a “Like” or the “Number of Followers” as a true success metric. Where engagement is still a hard metric to measure, many in the C-suite still want proven conversion. How do we prove that social can drive sales? Scott Lake of Source Metrics indicated that this continues to be an ongoing debate.
I agree that the soft values like engagement and content have been difficult variables to properly attribute to sales but an amazing thing about the web which I noted,
However, it’s more than just sales. It’s everything about social: The content. The conversation. The sentiment. The amplification. Is there a clear path to sales from all these new practices and measures?
Amazing companies like Measure.ly have the ability to track and measure the conversion value of content. It may begin with amplification from the strongest voices in social media, but inevitably, conversion, as Josh Merchant, Co-founder and CTO of Measurely, put it, “comes from those individuals who have the closest relationship to the point of conversion”.
This validates the strength of advocates, or as Danny Brown points out in his book, Influence Marketing, the micro-influencers to your brand.
Where we’re still trying to track coupon redemptions from online to offline to prove that social works, we are missing a very important component: the Customer.
We need to go one step further from where we are today, however. We need to shift focus to being relentless about finding out even more about our most valued customers.
Last week, Danny Brown, wrote this amazing post: The Challenges Facing Local and Global CMOs in 2013. This is the reason why, even given the emergence of social as a necessary channel to inform, why companies are having trouble evolving:
- Many CMOs have not yet evolved in their thinking. Many are still using the “seemingly” tried and true channels to focus their efforts.
- Companies continue to focus on selling a product. They haven’t emerged from this type of thinking. Here is an earlier post I wrote about the banking industry: Big Banks and Social: To be or Not to Be. Banks are and have always been product centric –> both in objectives and compensation. It’s the reason why there is large duplication of effort, minimal cross-product collaboration, huge inefficiencies and inadequate customer engagement. Banking is not the only industry focused on products.
The Opportunity Beyond Listening…. Beyond Engagement: Build Enduring Conversations with your Most Valued Customers
In my earlier post, Oceans Apart: The Vision vs. Reality, companies have traditionally built better mousetraps, expecting the market to follow. Consumer Package Goods Companies (CPGs) continue to innovate on existing products. QSRs follow the same model. While both have the ability to build a ‘functioning” CRM program, the limited data access to consumer usage and attitudes of their products “at scale” limits the degree to which these programs could be truly successful.
It’s even more difficult for franchised models to understand the “local” customer’s usage patterns to the degree of identifying those who frequent the store.
Yes the companies are listening. Yes they are engaging with their customers. But are they taking this one step further to being able to identify Joe Parker, teacher from Bayview Glenn, who stops into McDonald’s by Bayview and Eglinton, Toronto every morning to get his large double double and McMuffin?
(Note: fictional scenario)
Technology exists to now identify the most passionate discussions, consumer generated content about a brand. We need to go beyond the LIKE and look at the profiles of our Fans and Followers, our detractors and advocates.
We can now piece together and aggregate the check-ins, the picture uploads, the tweets, the reviews and the discussions to find those customers that matter the most to a brand, or have the potential to matter.
But things have to change….
Joel Marans turned my attention to this presentation that catalogued the 30 Best Creative, Design and Marketing Quotes. In it, I found this quote from Seth Godin:
I think we fool ourselves into thinking we really know who are our customers are.
Where value has traditionally been defined by how much a customer is contributing to the bottom line, the “CRM” school of thought also defines the brand/customer relationship as a “Value Exchange”.
In the digital world, this definition has evolved to” Consumers raise their hands and receive content that’s relevant to the moment, a question, or their lives, and in exchange they reward advertisers that deliver.”
In social, true value exchange should be as transparent as its meaning: A product or service that meets the needs of its customers; something customers are willing to buy and to advocate.
How does this differ from the traditional view? The customer now becomes a partner and stakeholder in defining that product or service. Suddenly, this becomes a variable that can create greater sustainability for the brand. Inevitably, the product-centric company will evolve to ensure that it iterates alongside the market… and become less product-oriented in the process.
It’s inconceivable that this can occur outside an organization… or so goes the thinking.
In a world that’s wrought with billions of brand discussions, companies cannot ignore these external messages nor their eventual impact on the company performance and reputation.
It’s time to rethink business and focus greater time and energy on truly knowing the customer.
Founder at ArCompany, and Director, International Council on Global Privacy and Security by Design Hessie is a seasoned digital strategist, and intelligence analyst having held senior positions for top ad agencies including Ogilvy, Rapp Collins, ONE and Isobar Digital. She also has extensive start-up experience in AI technologies, social tech, online publishing and artificial intelligence like Yahoo! Answers, Overlay.TV, Jugnoo and Cerebri AI. Hessie is the co-author of EVOLVE: Marketing (as we know it) is Doomed! She is also an active writer for Forbes, Cognitive World, Towards Data Science and Marketing Insider Group.
Not sure how I get to be the first over here, but I score! And, I really did reading such a comprehensive piece as this, Hessie, with not a stone left unturned for where we need to head. So, what’s the takeaway?
I listened to a McDonalds spokesperson at Social Slam 2013 and was impressed it had selected a small conference of our peers (social media types) to share the truth and transparency about the corporation that functions under a magnified lens.
Knowing our customer? It’s that new burgeoning field of behavior dynamics and academic studies on happiness that lead to knowing our customers. Are companies and small business ready for that naked truth? Will they all of a sudden awake one day and realize my products suck and I don’t contribute a single thing new to my customers?
Social/digital marketing is hard work — we are continuously adjusting content and message to connect with every stakeholder around us. Look ahead…there is no one writing the playbook — we are. Look behind, and you see scrambled eggs — everyone trying desperately to keep up and not truly knowing the magic solution.
It’s an interesting time; it’s a time in which we can either be exhausted from the effort or excited by the unknown and challenges. I select the latter with a bit of the former. Love this piece; thanks for the think.
Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing And Jaymie, this comes full circle back to our discussion on your blog… I keep thinking that there was ‘fear of change’ in threads of that conversation, which is a natural human reaction. But you’re right…. we can either be exhausted or excited, but we have to embrace this change and the ‘naked truth’ it has brought.
AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing Jaymie, I’ve struggled with this in the past 6 years. I totally get that companies are making every attempt to demystify this new medium. I have witnessed clients continue to buy TV, and use print and traditional DM without giving a thought to the emerging channels — because they are either disillusioned or challenged by the new channels.
On the other hand, I have had marketer friends come to me asking how they quickly learn this “social thing” fearing they’ll become obsolete in the next decade. The latter see the impending tsunami and its ability to shake things up, changing the way we communicate. But marketers who still need to be convinced are caught in whirlwind — where ignorance meets skepticism. It’s the reason why everyone is trying to “prove the channel”.
The truth is the old-dog-new-trick mentality stifles the transition into the new medium. Age is a huge factor. Amy’s right about being excited about what’s coming. Changing mindsets is the first step. After that, convincing becomes much easier.
hessiej AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing And, I wonder whether the age bridge will ever quite occur. For me, it’s not so much age I’m feeling as a factor in all this, but location. Those trained in smaller locales with varying levels of expertise to mentor (and the mentors’ training) seem to have less worldly opportunity. Not being boastful, but truthful. (Again, the naked truth.)
My gift in hindsight is being trained in Chicago’s agencies with living abroad in the third world to formulate a foundation. Quite a bit different experience than those who remain in hometown America/Canada, eh?
Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing AmyMccTobin It’s funny how our location, our culture either hinders us or forces us to to think differently. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. Living in the “Valley” is an “innovate til’ you die” approach. With age comes experience. But with experience you have to continuously check your relevance.
hessiej Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing AmyMccTobin Yep, “it was fine yesterday” doesn’t mean it is today.
On the times are changing piece: Let’s be honest, marketers and communicators who get it (social, digital, etc…) are sick of having to re-explain their value all the time. It’s 2013 and we’re saying the same things we’ve said for at least 2-3 years (I’m using “we” because even though I’m not at an agency I feel like I’m at least in some way a marketer).
With that in mind I think we all have to be better about show not tell. You know what/who really changes underlying attitudes? Good modeling.
The reality is that plenty of people in this line of business are still talking and not being an example for the change they are talking about. I don’t think that’s anyone here, but I believe we should be asking ourselves regularly “am I modeling the change I’m asking for?”
AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing There’s no fear of change in me, Amy! Heck, I’m the first to reinvent. That discussion was oriented to the blatant misunderstand of the true core of public relations. Today, on Gini’s blog I’m going to have a hay day, though…not sure I agree with that list and need to consider this entire discussion some more.
Yes, back to center…it is a naked truth, isn’t it? And, the Emperors need to get dressed one layer at a time…the truth hurts.
Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing AmyMccTobin I didn’t mean YOU, I meant threads of it throughout.
AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing Oh, whew!! Heh
Wow. This is crazy smart Hessie, a much longer comment is forthcoming when I have time to digest.
But I think I see what you’re doing with ARC Co. (talking to Amy helped) and it’s fascinating. One of the questions that’s been in my head lately is: who will be the 1st truly social/digital million dollar+ agency that is built from scratch. Would love to see you gals / guys do it.
JoeCardillo I would like us to be seen as the pioneers of social measuring – the ones who made social ANOTHER part of performance marketing.
AmyMccTobin JoeCardillo That would be huge. Frankly, every conversation I hear / see still kind of gets stuck at “how do we measure social” and I personally believe that’s why most people revert back to CTRs and impressions.
AmyMccTobin JoeCardillo I also think one of the truths about true social/digital is that you have to measure across disciplines, which, let’s be honest is scary for clients and marcom/pr agencies alike. THAT’S what makes Jayme / Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing ‘s point about working together so crucial.
JoeCardillo AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing Hey Joe, “built from scratch” ?? Ha! In this day and age, there are only a handful of us around. Measuring and validating are needed today. It’s the reason why search is now mainstay. Bur more importantly, as you say, measuring across disciplines needs make marketers and organizations think differently about “other” KPIs that impact the business and how social will impact them: customer satisfaction, resolution rates, product delivery cycles, employee retention, customer retention etc.
hessiej JoeCardillo AmyMccTobin Soulati | B2B Social Media Marketing Promise us you won’t sell to MultiConglom International, Incorporated Inc. 😉
Agree on search but I do think those metrics (CTRs, page 1 rankings, etc…) are frequently misunderstood as some kind of standalone grail. It’s like the hype around big data / data journalism, both are useless unless you know what questions to ask and develop framework.
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Enjoyed this piece, and I love how it dovetails with the Influence Marketing methodology. It still takes some work to scale from the guy grabbing his McMuffin to a “profile” similar to his for better listening and marketing, but the right tools can help do some of the heavy lifting for marketers. Leaving them more room to be creative and engaging…
dbvickery I bet you were an A student Brian – catching up on all your homework after vacation.
justrain_143 Thanks for the mention Brian! ArCIntel
JongiJadraque thanks so much for the mention. You guys are doing great things KINSHIPd cc. ArCIntel
+1 RT hessiejones: JongiJadraque thanks so much for the mention. You guys are doing great things KINSHIPd cc. ArCIntel